The Boeing Company (BA) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call highlights a mix of positive and negative factors. The $4.9 billion charge for the 777X program and delays in certification are significant negatives. The Q&A reveals further concerns about cash flow and certification delays. While there are positive elements like improved operating margins and strategic production increases, the financial burden and uncertainties weigh heavily. The lack of clear guidance on cash flow targets and production challenges further dampen sentiment, leading to a negative outlook for the stock price over the next two weeks.
Key Financial Performance
Revenue Revenue was up 30% to $23.3 billion, primarily driven by improved operational performance across the business, including higher commercial deliveries and defense volume.
Core Loss Per Share Core loss per share of $7.47 primarily reflects the $6.45 impact of the $4.9 billion charge on the 777X program.
Free Cash Flow Free cash flow was positive $238 million in the quarter, primarily reflecting higher commercial deliveries and working capital that improved compared to both the prior year and the prior quarter. This was the first positive free cash flow quarter since the fourth quarter of 2023.
Boeing Commercial Airplanes Revenue Revenue was up nearly 50% to $11.1 billion, primarily reflecting higher deliveries compared to last year.
Boeing Defense, Space & Security Revenue Revenue grew 25% to $6.9 billion on improved operational performance and higher volume.
Boeing Global Services Revenue Revenue was up 10% to $5.4 billion, primarily reflecting improved commercial and government volume.
Operating Margin for Boeing Commercial Airplanes Operating margin of negative 48.3% was impacted by the charge on the 777X program.
Operating Margin for Boeing Defense, Space & Security Operating margin of 1.7% was up significantly compared to last year, reflecting better operating performance in the third quarter.
Operating Margin for Boeing Global Services Operating margin was 17.5% in the quarter, up 50 basis points compared to last year, driven by favorable commercial volume and mix.
777X Program Charge A $4.9 billion noncash charge was recorded during the quarter due to delays in certification and first delivery, now expected in 2027. This charge includes customer concessions, incremental rework costs, learning curve adjustments, and carrying costs of production operations spread over a longer period of time.
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Operating Highlights
737 production increase: Production increased to 42 airplanes per month after stabilizing at 38 per month. Future rate increases will be in increments of 5, with breaks of at least 6 months.
787 production and expansion: Production stabilized at rate 7, with plans to increase to 8 per month. Investments are being made in South Carolina to meet market demand.
777X program delay: First delivery delayed to 2027, resulting in a $4.9 billion noncash charge. Certification and production schedules have been reset.
737-7 and -10 certification: Certification expected in 2026 after addressing engine anti-ice issues.
Backlog growth: Backlog exceeds $600 billion, with more than 5,900 airplanes, including strong demand for 737 and 787 models.
Defense contracts: Secured $2.8 billion U.S. Space Force contract and $2.7 billion PAC-3 seeker production contracts.
Operational efficiencies: Achieved a 75% reduction in traveled work on 737 and 60% across all airplane programs. Positive free cash flow generated for the first time since 2023.
FAA delegation: FAA granted limited delegation to issue airworthiness certificates for 737 MAX and 787 airplanes.
Culture change: Focus on safety, quality, and employee engagement through new values and behaviors. Plans for another employee survey to assess progress.
Digital business sale: Sale of Jeppesen and other digital business segments on track, while retaining capabilities related to fleet maintenance and operations.
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Risk or Challenges
777X Program Delays: The certification and first delivery of the 777X program have been delayed to 2027, resulting in a $4.9 billion noncash charge. This delay is due to longer-than-expected certification processes and has led to increased costs, customer concessions, and production disruptions.
737-7 and -10 Certification Challenges: Certification for the 737-7 and -10 programs is delayed until 2026 due to ongoing design updates to address engine anti-ice issues. This delay impacts production timelines and delivery schedules.
IAM Workforce Strike: The IAM workforce strike in St. Louis has disrupted production, requiring contingency plans to maintain operations. This situation poses risks to production stability and customer commitments.
Supply Chain Stability: While improvements have been noted, supply chain stability remains a critical focus area, particularly as production rates increase for the 737 and 787 programs.
Defense Program Risks: Fixed-price development programs in the defense segment continue to face execution risks, although progress has been made in stabilizing these programs.
Economic and Regulatory Uncertainties: The company faces ongoing economic uncertainties and regulatory hurdles, particularly in relation to FAA certification processes and global market conditions.
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Guidance & Outlook
737 Production Rates: Boeing plans to increase 737 production rates to 42 airplanes per month, with further rate increases beyond 42 to occur in increments of 5. These increases will not happen earlier than 6 months apart and will depend on achieving stability and readiness.
787 Production Rates: The 787 program aims to move to a production rate of 8 airplanes per month in the near future, following a successful rate 8 Capstone review with the FAA. Boeing is also investing in the expansion of its South Carolina site to meet exceptional market demand.
777X Certification and Delivery: The first delivery of the 777-9 is now expected in 2027, delayed from the previous expectation of 2026. Boeing has accumulated over 4,000 flight hours for the program and plans to complete the certification process within the revised schedule.
737-7 and 737-10 Certification: Certification for the 737-7 and 737-10 is anticipated in 2026, following progress on design updates to address the engine anti-ice issue.
Defense Business Outlook: Boeing's defense business is positioned for growth, supported by a record backlog of $76 billion and strong demand driven by the global threat environment. The company expects the defense segment to return to historical performance levels as it transitions to new contracts with tighter underwriting standards.
Free Cash Flow Outlook: Boeing expects positive free cash flow in the fourth quarter of 2025, barring any impact from a prolonged government shutdown. The company has updated its 2025 outlook to a free cash flow usage of about $2.5 billion, reflecting higher-than-expected performance year-to-date.
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Key Q&A
Q:What is the negative cash flow in 2026 on the 777X, and how soon after first delivery can the program achieve cash neutrality?
A:The negative cash flow in 2026 for the 777X is expected to be slightly higher than 2025. Cash neutrality is anticipated by 2028, with positive free cash flow starting in 2029, driven by improving payments from aircraft deliveries and advances.
Q:What changed recently to reevaluate the 777X program?
A:The issue is related to certification work, specifically delays in obtaining TIA approval from the FAA. The company underestimated the effort required for certification approvals and has rebaselined the program to address these challenges.
Q:What is slowing down the TIA approval process for the 777X?
A:The delays are due to a combination of Boeing's learning curve with the new incremental TIA process and the FAA taking longer to review data submissions. Both parties are working to streamline the process.
Q:What are the details behind the $4.9 billion charge for the 777X program?
A:The charge is due to delays in certification, revised production plans, increased carrying costs, slower ramp rates, and rework costs. The company has incorporated these factors into a higher-confidence long-term production plan.
Q:What is the status of the 737 production ramp and future rate increases?
A:The 737 production is currently at a 42-unit monthly rate, with plans to reach 47 units in six months. Further increases to 52 units will depend on supply chain readiness and system maturity, with a deliberate approach to avoid premature rate hikes.
Q:What is the status of the 787 production ramp and challenges?
A:The 787 production is expected to reach 8 units per month by year-end and 10 units next year. Challenges include seat certifications and supply chain constraints. Investments are being made to expand the Charleston facility for higher rates beyond 10 units.
Q:What is the status of the -7 and -10 certifications?
A:The critical path for both certifications is the engine anti-ice design. Modifications to test aircraft and certification of these changes are required. The company is confident in completing the certifications by 2026.
Q:What are the key factors affecting free cash flow in Q4 and 2026?
A:Q4 free cash flow will be impacted by seasonality, lower 777 deliveries, higher interest payments, and a DOJ payment. For 2026, the company is still assessing the outlook but expects gradual improvement in free cash flow.
Q:What is the company's perspective on the $10 billion free cash flow target?
A:The CFO is confident in the company's cash generation potential but has not yet endorsed the $10 billion target. A long-term framework will be developed after further assessment.
Q:What are the priorities for M&A and the impact of recent deals on free cash flow?
A:The focus is on closing the Jeppesen and Spirit deals, with no immediate plans for additional M&A. The cash balance post-deals is expected to be around $28 billion.
Q:What investments are being made in the Charleston facility for the 787 program?
A:The Charleston facility is being expanded to support production rates beyond 10 units per month, with a major expansion planned to double the manufacturing footprint. The expanded facility will be utilized by 2028.
Q:What are the current supply chain constraints across programs?
A:Seat certifications remain a constraint for the 787 program. Engine supply and durability upgrades are being monitored, but overall, the supply chain is performing well.
Q:What are the CFO's early observations and priorities?
A:The CFO has observed enthusiasm and commitment within the company. Priorities include restoring balance sheet health, driving recovery improvements, and focusing on both short-term and long-term goals.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided providing a specific long-term framework or endorsing the $10 billion free cash flow target, citing the need for further assessment. Additionally, no specific timeline was given for resolving seat certification issues or achieving higher production rates beyond 10 units for the 787 program.
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