WisdomTree, Inc. (WT) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call demonstrates strong growth in various AUM categories, including gold and digital assets, and positive strategic moves like the Ceres acquisition. The Q&A section reveals optimism about future growth, especially in digital assets and tokenization, despite some vague responses. The market strategy and shareholder return plans are promising, suggesting a positive stock price movement. Given the market cap of approximately $1.5 billion, these factors are likely to result in a 2% to 8% increase in stock price over the next two weeks.
Key Financial Performance
Global AUM $137.2 billion, a record high, driven by strong organic growth and favorable market conditions. This includes record U.S. AUM of $88.3 billion, record European AUM of $48.3 billion, and digital AUM of almost $600 million.
Global Net Inflows $2.2 billion in the third quarter, bringing year-to-date inflows through September 30 to $8.8 billion, an annualized organic growth pace of 11%. Year-to-date inflows include $2.5 billion in the U.S., $5.8 billion in Europe, and roughly $550 million in digital assets. Significant contributors include European gold and cryptocurrency products, European defense fund, and digital money market fund.
Adjusted Revenues $125.6 million during the quarter, an increase of 11.5% from the second quarter and up approximately 14.7% versus the prior year quarter, driven by higher average AUM. Year-to-date adjusted revenues have grown 10.7%, driven by higher average AUM and higher other revenues attributable to European listed products, partly offset by a lower average fee capture.
Adjusted Net Income $34.5 million or $0.23 per share for the quarter. Adjusted net income excludes the loss on extinguishment of convertible notes of $13 million, acquisition-related costs of $2.4 million, and other miscellaneous items.
Gross Margin 82.2% in the third quarter, an increase of over 100 basis points versus the second quarter due to higher AUM levels.
Interest Income $4 million during the third quarter, higher than the previous run rate of approximately $2 million per quarter due to temporarily investing the capital raised from convertible note issuance for the Ceres acquisition.
Gold Strategies AUM $22 billion, reflecting 57% growth year-to-date. These strategies brought in over $1 billion of net inflows in the quarter alone.
Model AUM Approximately $5.85 billion, up more than 50% year-to-date. Adviser adoption remains strong, with the number of advisers using models increasing sharply.
Digital Assets AUM Around $600 million, with peak levels near $900 million, driven largely by flows into blockchain-enabled money market fund.
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Operating Highlights
Digital Assets: WisdomTree Connect platform and WisdomTree Prime are live with on-chain transfer capabilities. Exited the quarter with $600 million in AUM, with peak levels near $900 million. Adoption led by stablecoin issuers and on-chain native businesses.
Gold Strategies: Physical gold and gold overlay strategies now exceed $22 billion in AUM, reflecting 57% growth year-to-date. Over $1 billion of net inflows in the quarter.
Model Portfolios: Model AUM grew to $5.85 billion, up more than 50% year-to-date. Adviser adoption is strong, with 13 new custom model clients onboarded in the quarter.
Global AUM: Record global AUM of $137.2 billion, including $88.3 billion in the U.S., $48.3 billion in Europe, and $600 million in digital assets. Net inflows of $2.2 billion in the quarter, with year-to-date inflows of $8.8 billion.
Ceres Acquisition: Acquisition of Ceres Partners closed, adding farmland as a negatively correlated asset class and introducing opportunities in solar projects and AI data centers.
Revenue Growth: Adjusted revenues were $125.6 million, up 11.5% from the second quarter and 14.7% year-over-year. Other revenues increased to $11 million, driven by European listed products.
Expense Management: Gross margin increased to 82.2% in Q3, expected to rise to 83% in Q4. Adjusted interest expense increased due to convertible notes for the Ceres acquisition.
Diversification: Achieved diversification across asset classes, client types, and geographies. Entered private assets with the Ceres acquisition.
Digital Asset Strategy: Focus on blockchain-enabled money market funds and seamless redemption processes to build trust and wallet share.
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Risk or Challenges
Convertible Notes Issuance: The issuance of convertible notes in mid-August to facilitate the Ceres acquisition has increased adjusted interest expenses from $5 million to $8 million in the third quarter, with an anticipated rise to $11 million in the fourth quarter. This could strain financial resources and impact profitability.
Ceres Acquisition Performance Fees: Ceres' revenue includes a 20% performance fee, which is dependent on the underlying returns of the farmland managed. This introduces variability and uncertainty in revenue projections, as historical performance may not be indicative of future results.
Digital Asset Fluctuations: Digital asset flows are subject to week-to-week fluctuations, creating unpredictability in AUM levels and revenue from this segment.
European AUM Revenue Forecasting: Revenue from European AUM is difficult to forecast due to its dependence on asset-based and transaction-based fees, which can vary with market conditions.
Interest Income Decline: Interest income is expected to revert to earlier levels of $2 million to $3 million in the fourth quarter, down from $4 million in the third quarter, reducing a source of financial inflow.
Ceres Acquisition Operating Expenses: Ceres' estimated annualized operating expenses are approximately $15 million, with 80% related to compensation. This adds a significant fixed cost to operations, impacting overall expense management.
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Guidance & Outlook
Gross Margin: Anticipated to increase to 83% in the fourth quarter, resulting in an overall gross margin of about 82% for the full year.
Adjusted Interest Expense: Expected to be approximately $11 million in the fourth quarter, reflecting the full quarter impact of financing related to the Ceres acquisition.
Interest Income: Projected to revert to earlier levels of approximately $2 million to $3 million in the fourth quarter.
Weighted Average Diluted Shares: Anticipated to be 146 million to 149 million in the fourth quarter, considering the impact of share repurchases and convertible notes.
Ceres Acquisition Revenue and Expenses: Ceres' trailing 12-month historical revenues were approximately $40 million, with annualized operating expenses estimated at $15 million. Performance fees will depend on farmland returns, and historical revenues may not indicate future performance.
Model AUM Growth: Model AUM grew to approximately $5.85 billion, up more than 50% year-to-date, with strong adviser adoption and new custom model clients onboarded.
Digital Assets Growth: Exited the quarter with around $600 million in AUM, with peak levels near $900 million. Strong traction year-to-date and a robust pipeline ahead.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Share Repurchase: During the third quarter, WisdomTree repurchased 6.8 million shares of common stock in connection with their recently completed convertible note issuance. This repurchase impacted the weighted average diluted shares, which were 150.7 million during the third quarter. The company anticipates the weighted average diluted shares to be 146 million to 149 million in the fourth quarter, considering the full quarter impact of the repurchased shares.
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Key Q&A
Q:Can you give a 3- to 5-year vision of what you expect to see in terms of flows, U.S. versus rest of the world?
A:Europe is a few years behind the U.S. in ETF adoption but has strong underlying growth fundamentals. WisdomTree has achieved nearly $50 billion in AUM in Europe with strong revenue capture. The synergy between U.S. and European businesses and Europe being a gateway to global investors are positive factors. However, it is hard to put a specific number on 5-year growth.
Q:When do you think the market will begin to appreciate your tech stack, and have you contemplated tokenization as a service?
A:WisdomTree is in active conversations around tokenization as a business concept. The tech stack includes an asset management platform, token issuance platform (TIP), and stablecoin orchestration. Future plans include adding trading and 24/7 instant liquidity to exposures. The company is optimistic about its market position and expects the market to value its digital asset business more in the future.
Q:Are you contemplating other moves in the private asset market, and how would that be done?
A:WisdomTree is focused on private assets and sees opportunities for growth. While specific execution plans were not disclosed, the company is disciplined in acquisitions and expects to expand in this area over time.
Q:Can you talk about the underlying drivers of the $592 million digital asset metrics and the types of customers buying those funds?
A:The $592 million (now $680 million) growth is driven by stablecoin issuers using WTGXX as a reserve asset, crypto-native businesses using stablecoins for treasury management, and collateral management use cases. Retail customers include on-chain experts participating in DeFi. WisdomTree recently launched products on the Ploom blockchain, which has generated excitement among the community.
Q:What are the top 2 priorities for 2026?
A:Faster revenue growth and higher revenue capture.
Q:What steps are you taking over the next 12-24 months to expand distribution access for digital assets?
A:WisdomTree is on 7 public blockchains and aims to meet clients where they are. The company is expanding onboarding through platforms like WisdomTree Prime and WisdomTree Connect. Future plans include partnerships with fintechs and decentralized onboarding methods. The focus is on increasing trading within crypto-native workflows and onboarding more customers in a regulatory-compliant way.
Q:How do you think about the opportunity for tokenizing real-world assets, including farmland?
A:Farmland is not seen as a suitable solution for tokenization. However, WisdomTree sees opportunities in blending private and public assets seamlessly. The company believes tokenization of real-world assets will evolve and be a significant opportunity in the future.
Q:How will the AUM for the Ceres business be reported, and how can performance-based fees be estimated?
A:Ceres' AUM will be reported at the end of each quarter. Performance-based fees can be estimated using the formula: (Ceres' beginning AUM + flow assumption) x mark assumption (7%-8%) x 15%. Management fees are 1% of average AUM.
Q:What is the current impact of the digital strategy on the income statement, and does it justify increased investment?
A:The digital platform has $650 million in AUM with a 25 basis point fee capture. Expenses result in a net operating loss in the mid-20s range. WisdomTree believes in the structural shift towards tokenization and is optimistic about long-term growth, justifying continued investment.
Q:What caused the $2.4 billion in outflows post-quarter, and what is the outlook?
A:The outflows were primarily due to profit-taking in commodities like gold and reallocations in USFR by 1-2 clients. Despite short-term noise, WisdomTree focuses on growing the number of clients and products per client, which are seen as precursors for long-term growth.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided providing specific numbers or detailed execution plans for the 3- to 5-year growth vision in Europe, private asset market expansion, and tokenization opportunities. Additionally, the response to the $2.4 billion outflows lacked detailed client-specific insights.
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