CTO Realty Growth, Inc. (CTO) Q2 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call presents a mixed picture. Positive elements include reaffirmed guidance, acquisition progress, and debt management improvements. However, the Q&A reveals potential risks, such as increased leverage for acquisitions and temporary rent losses due to tenant transitions. The lack of specific guidance details and vague management responses add uncertainty. These factors, combined with consistent financial metrics, suggest a neutral short-term stock price movement.
Key Financial Performance
Leasing Activity Signed approximately 227,000 square feet of new leases, renewals, and extensions at an average cash base rent of $25.43 per square foot, including 190,000 square feet of comparable leases at a 22% cash rent spread. Year-to-date, completed 339,000 square feet of leasing, including 299,000 square feet of comparable leasing at a 27% cash rent spread. Reasons: Strong leasing fundamentals in business-friendly MSAs in the Southeast and Southwest.
Anchor Spaces Leasing Spread Achieved a positive cash leasing spread of 40% to 60% for 10 anchor spaces. Reasons: Proactive leasing efforts and replacing former tenants with new anchors like Burlington, Boot Barns, Bassett Furniture, etc., which drive more foot traffic.
Portfolio Occupancy Portfolio consisting of 5.3 million square feet was 93.9% leased and 90.2% occupied at the end of the quarter. Reasons: Continued leasing momentum and proactive management.
Carolina Pavilion Yield Expected to achieve an unlevered double-digit yield after capturing upside on 4 anchor spaces with significantly below market rent. Reasons: Leasing to tenants like Ulta, Sierra Trading, and Academy Sports.
Plaza at Rockwall Leasing Spread Achieved 86% cash rent spread on spaces identified as having significantly below market rent. Reasons: Leasing to tenants like Barnes & Noble and Boot Barn.
Convertible Notes Settlement Fully settled 3.875% convertible notes with an outstanding balance of approximately $51 million for $71.1 million, consisting of $50.1 million in cash and $21 million in common equity. Reasons: Debt management and reduction of leverage.
Net Debt to EBITDA Ended the quarter with net debt to EBITDA of 6.9x, an improvement from 7.5x a year ago but up from 6.3x at the beginning of the year. Reasons: $80 million acquisition of Ashley Park and earnings impact from 10 vacated anchors.
Core FFO Core FFO was $14.7 million for the quarter, a $4.3 million increase compared to $10.3 million in the prior year. On a per share basis, core FFO was $0.45, consistent with the prior year. Reasons: Reduction in leverage from a year ago.
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Operating Highlights
New leases signed: 227,000 square feet of new leases, renewals, and extensions signed at an average cash base rent of $25.43 per square foot. 190,000 square feet of comparable leases achieved a 22% cash rent spread.
Anchor spaces leasing: 6 out of 10 anchor spaces resolved with new leases executed for 5 and one signed. New tenants include Burlington, 2 Boot Barns, Bassett Furniture, Slick City Action Park, and Bob's Discount Furniture. Remaining 4 spaces are in active lease negotiations.
Pipeline of signed leases: Signed not open pipeline stands at $4.6 million, representing 4.6% of in-place cash rents.
Geographic focus: Shopping centers located in faster-growing, business-friendly MSAs in the Southeast and Southwest.
Potential acquisition: One shopping center in a core target market with value-add attributes is under consideration for acquisition.
Portfolio occupancy: Portfolio was 93.9% leased and 90.2% occupied at the end of the quarter.
Carolina Pavilion: Ulta, Sierra Trading, and Academy Sports opened. 4 anchor spaces identified as value-add opportunities; 2 leased, 2 in active negotiations. Expected unlevered double-digit yield.
Plaza at Rockwall: Staples replaced by Barnes & Noble, opening in fall. Boot Barn replacing JOANN's, opening by year-end. Achieving 86% cash rent spread on these spaces.
Albuquerque office property: Lease amendment with Fidelity to reduce space by half, with a new 10-year lease signed with the state of New Mexico for the vacated space. Property will have 2 credit tenants and a longer weighted lease term.
Convertible notes settlement: Fully settled $51 million of 3.875% convertible notes for $71.1 million, reducing debt.
Interest rate management: Executed SOFR swaps for $100 million of principal at a weighted average rate of 3.32% for 5 years, reducing floating rate exposure.
Leverage improvement: Net debt to EBITDA improved to 6.9x from 7.5x a year ago.
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Risk or Challenges
Anchor Tenant Vacancies: Party City and JOANN's vacated 10 anchor spaces, creating temporary revenue loss and operational challenges. While 6 spaces are resolved, 4 remain under negotiation, delaying full revenue recovery.
Lease Amendment with Fidelity: Fidelity is reducing its leased space in Albuquerque, New Mexico, by half, creating a temporary vacancy and reliance on securing a new tenant (State of New Mexico) to backfill the space.
Debt Management: The company settled $51 million in convertible notes, incurring a $20.4 million debt extinguishment charge. Net debt to EBITDA increased to 6.9x from 6.3x earlier in the year, reflecting higher leverage.
Floating Interest Rate Exposure: 12% of the company's debt is subject to floating interest rates, which could lead to increased interest expenses if rates rise further.
Tenant Transition Delays: Earnings from the $4.6 million signed not open pipeline will take time to materialize, delaying immediate financial benefits.
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Guidance & Outlook
Earnings Tailwinds: The pipeline of completed leasing along with anticipated leasing for the remaining 4 anchor spaces will provide the company with earnings tailwinds going into 2026.
Leasing Momentum: The company is continuing to see strong leasing momentum from high-quality retailers and is excited about ongoing lease negotiations.
Potential Acquisitions: The company has a healthy pipeline of potential acquisitions, including one shopping center in a core target market with value-add attributes. They are optimistic about getting this asset under contract and will provide an update next quarter.
Carolina Pavilion Yield: After capturing the upside on 4 anchor spaces, the company expects to achieve an unlevered double-digit yield on the Carolina Pavilion property.
Plaza at Rockwall Rent Spread: The company is achieving an 86% cash rent spread on spaces at the Plaza at Rockwall, which were identified as having significantly below market rent.
Albuquerque Office Property: The company is finalizing a lease amendment to reduce Fidelity's space and sign a new 10-year lease with the state of New Mexico, increasing the property's value and marketability.
Debt Management: The company plans to close a new term loan towards the end of the third quarter or early in the fourth quarter to reduce the outstanding balance on its revolving credit facility and increase liquidity.
Core FFO and AFFO Guidance: The company reaffirms its full year 2025 per share outlook for core FFO of $1.80 to $1.86 and AFFO of $1.93 to $1.98. Earnings from the signed not open pipeline will become more noticeable as the year progresses.
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Shareholder Return Plan
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Key Q&A
Q:Can you provide more details about the Fidelity Office property, including why Fidelity is vacating half of it and if there will be any CapEx associated with the State of Mexico?
A:Fidelity is downsizing as the building was designed with flexibility for such changes. They will pay a fee for downsizing. The State of Mexico is moving in due to demand for modern space and may take additional space in the future. The asset is expected to be monetized late this year or early next year.
Q:Are you looking at any acquisitions, and will leverage increase to fund them?
A:They are considering acquiring a shopping center. Leverage may increase in the near term, but asset recycling will prevent a long-term increase in leverage.
Q:Do you have any dispositions included in your guidance?
A:No, there are no dispositions included in the current guidance.
Q:Are the Fidelity and State of New Mexico leases second or third quarter leases?
A:The Fidelity lease is still being finalized but is substantially agreed upon. The State of New Mexico lease was signed in the second quarter.
Q:Was the State of New Mexico lease included in the 226,000 square feet of leasing reported for the second quarter?
A:No, the 226,000 square feet reported only includes retail leases, not office leases like the State of New Mexico.
Q:Have you signed any significant leases in the third quarter, and what is the status of the signed-not-open pipeline?
A:They are negotiating leases or LOIs for the majority of remaining vacancies. Significant leases are expected to be signed in the next 60 days. The signed-not-open pipeline was $4.6 million as of June 30.
Q:Will any structured investments pay off early, and are you considering selling structured investments instead of stabilized assets?
A:Early payoffs of structured investments are unlikely. They are not seeing structured finance investments currently but are considering core acquisition opportunities. Selling structured investments is not anticipated.
Q:How are you evaluating tenants for leasing, and what challenges are you facing?
A:They are prioritizing tenants with good credit and simpler solutions, even if splitting a box with multiple tenants could yield more revenue. Lease negotiations are taking longer due to tenants' busy schedules, but they are negotiating for about 70% of their vacancy.
Q:What risks could cause less than 94% of turnover to be recognized in 2026?
A:There are no significant risks as acquisitions have low embedded lease rates, offering opportunities if tenants do not stay. This is not a concern for management.
Q:Are there any additional unfunded portions on loans in the structured investment book?
A:No, there are no additional unfunded portions beyond the $29.6 million in unfunded commitments.
Q:What caused the decline in physical occupancy quarter-over-quarter?
A:The decline was due to bankruptcies of tenants like Party City, JOANN's, Conn's, and Big Lots. Staples' transition to Barnes & Noble will occur in the fourth quarter.
Q:Will there be any temporary loss of rent during the Staples to Barnes & Noble transition?
A:There will be a short downtime towards the end of this year or early next year, but it will not be extended.
Q:Will Fidelity pay a lease termination fee, and how will rent change after splitting the building between Fidelity and the State of New Mexico?
A:Fidelity will pay a fee, which will be blended into their rent over the remaining term. There will be no rent roll-down, but there may be a short downtime.
Q:Will term loan financing be related to the potential shopping center acquisition?
A:The timing of the term loan financing and acquisition may not align perfectly, but there are no concerns about securing the term loan. There may be a short gap between the acquisition and financing.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided providing specific details on the exact square footage for the Fidelity lease and the finalized terms. They also used vague language regarding the timeline for significant leases and the potential for early payoffs of structured investments.
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