Edison International (EIX) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call summary and Q&A reveal mixed sentiments. While the company demonstrates confidence in achieving EPS growth and has plans for wildfire mitigation and capital allocation, uncertainties remain. The Q&A highlights unclear timelines for liability estimates and EPS growth beyond 2025. Despite positive elements like EV adoption driving growth and regulatory clarity, the lack of explicit guidance and potential financial charges balance out the positives, resulting in a neutral sentiment.
Key Financial Performance
Third Quarter Core Earnings Per Share (EPS) $2.34 compared to $1.51 a year ago, representing a significant increase. However, this comparison is not meaningful due to a true-up for the 2025 General Rate Case final decision, retroactive to January 1.
2025 Core EPS Guidance Narrowed to $5.95 to $6.20, reflecting year-to-date performance and potential costs for early refinancing activities later in the year.
2025 Base Revenue Authorized at $9.7 billion, supporting investments in wildfire mitigation, safety, reliability, and upgrades for increased load growth.
Capital Expenditures (2025-2028) Projected at $28 billion to $29 billion, incorporating investments in infrastructure replacement, electrification, and system resiliency.
Rate Base Growth (2025-2028) Projected at 7% to 8%, after incorporating expected wildfire mitigation capital expenditures.
Wildfire-Related Cost Recovery Approximately $1.6 billion authorized for recovery through the TKM Settlement and $2 billion through the Woolsey fire settlement, subject to CPUC approval.
System Average Rate Growth Expected to grow at an inflation-like level of 2% to 3% CAGR through 2028.
Load Growth Near-term CAGR of up to 3%, driven by EV adoption, new housing developments, and increases in commercial and industrial consumption.
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Operating Highlights
Wildfire Recovery Compensation Program: SCE will launch a voluntary program to provide direct payments to individuals and businesses impacted by the Eaton Fire, aiming to resolve claims quickly and minimize costs.
Load Growth: SCE anticipates a near-term load growth CAGR of up to 3% and projects electricity sales to nearly double over the next two decades, driven by EV adoption, new housing developments, and increased commercial and industrial consumption.
Wildfire Mitigation: SCE has deployed over 6,800 miles of covered conductor and plans to harden 90% of its distribution lines in high fire risk areas by year-end. The 2025 General Rate Case authorizes further investments in wildfire mitigation, including 1,650 miles of covered conductor and 212 miles of targeted undergrounding.
Regulatory Approvals: SCE received approval for the TKM Settlement ($1.6 billion recovery) and reached a settlement in the Woolsey fire proceeding ($2 billion recovery). The 2025 General Rate Case authorizes $9.7 billion in base revenue and significant investments in safety and reliability.
Legislative Support: California's SB 254 establishes an $18 billion continuation account for wildfire risk management and allows securitization of wildfire claims payments. It also initiates a second phase to evaluate long-term reforms for equitable risk and cost allocation.
Financial Strategy: EIX plans to avoid equity issuance through efficient financing, including securitization proceeds from wildfire settlements. The company reaffirmed its 5%-7% core EPS growth target through 2028.
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Risk or Challenges
Wildfire Risks: The company faces significant risks from wildfires, including potential liabilities from the Eaton Fire. Investigations suggest SCE equipment may have been associated with the ignition. While the Wildfire Fund provides some financial backstop, the company has entered settlements and launched compensation programs to address claims, which could impact financial stability.
Regulatory and Legislative Uncertainty: Although SB 254 provides a framework for wildfire cost recovery and liability caps, the long-term sustainability of this model is uncertain. The second phase of SB 254, due in April 2026, will evaluate broader reforms, leaving future regulatory outcomes unclear.
Financial Exposure from Settlements: SCE has reached settlements for past wildfire liabilities, including the Woolsey Fire, but these recoveries only cover a portion of the total costs. The company still faces financial exposure, and the outcomes of pending regulatory approvals could affect its credit metrics and financial flexibility.
Operational Challenges in Wildfire Mitigation: The company is investing heavily in wildfire mitigation measures, such as covered conductors and undergrounding lines. However, these efforts are capital-intensive and may not fully eliminate ignition risks, posing ongoing operational and financial challenges.
Credit Rating and Financing Risks: S&P downgraded the company by one notch, citing concerns over wildfire liabilities and financial stability. Although other agencies have maintained stable outlooks, the downgrade could increase borrowing costs and impact future financing plans.
Load Growth and Infrastructure Demands: While load growth is expected to increase due to electrification and new developments, meeting this demand requires substantial infrastructure investments. These projects are costly and could strain financial resources if not managed effectively.
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Guidance & Outlook
2025 Core EPS Guidance: Narrowed to $5.95 to $6.20, reflecting year-to-date performance and outlook for the remainder of the year, including potential refinancing costs.
Core EPS Growth Target: Reaffirmed at 5% to 7% through 2028, with 2028 core EPS projected at $6.74 to $7.14.
Capital Plan: Four-year capital plan of $28 billion to $29 billion, focusing on infrastructure replacement, electrification, and system resiliency.
Rate Base Growth: Projected at 7% to 8% through 2028, incorporating wildfire mitigation capital expenditures.
Load Growth: Near-term load growth CAGR of up to 3%, with long-term electricity sales expected to nearly double over the next two decades.
Wildfire Mitigation Investments: Authorized installation of 1,650 miles of covered conductor and 212 miles of targeted undergrounding for wildfire mitigation.
Financing Strategy: No equity issuance required through 2028, supported by securitization proceeds from TKM and Woolsey settlements.
Legislative and Regulatory Developments: SB 254 provides a framework for wildfire cost recovery and securitization, enhancing financial stability and supporting future investments.
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Key Q&A
Q:Can you confirm if the $0.10 charge for equity preferred relates to both the '26 and '27 maturities, and what are the options for addressing this?
A:The $0.10 charge represents a write-off of deferred transaction costs that would occur regardless of whether refinancing is done early or at the reset dates in March '26 and '27. The company is evaluating broad options and may take steps earlier than the reset dates to benefit the company overall.
Q:What is the status of the Eaton recovery compensation program, and when can we expect a liability estimate?
A:The program has not been launched yet but is expected to be finalized and launched shortly. Participation rates will determine if it leads to an estimate on losses. However, this will be a long process, and the company does not yet have an estimate of when a liability estimate will be available.
Q:Is the company trending toward the upper or lower half of the 5% to 7% EPS growth range?
A:The company is confident in the 5% to 7% EPS growth range. They have incorporated new information, including regulatory proceedings and settlements, into their outlook, which provides more clarity and a stronger balance sheet.
Q:What are the expectations for the Phase 2 wildfire liability process, and how will it be conducted?
A:The Phase 2 process is being led by the California Earthquake Authority (CEA) and includes submission of abstracts and papers, which will be made public. The process will involve open discussions and meetings, with a final report expected by April 1. The company is encouraged by the professional management of the CEA and the involvement of Governor Newsom in directing agencies to contribute to the process.
Q:How does the company view capital allocation in light of the potential outcomes of the Phase 2 wildfire process?
A:The company focuses on maintaining healthy balance sheets and credit ratings to minimize customer costs. They have no equity issuances in their forecast and are targeting a 45% to 55% payout ratio for dividends. They are also exploring cost-efficient opportunities for refinancing.
Q:Was the $0.10 charge for preferred equity refinancing included in previous forecasts?
A:The $0.10 charge was not explicitly included in previous forecasts as it depends on the timing of refinancing. The company now has more options due to regulatory successes and is considering refinancing earlier, which introduces the charge.
Q:What is the expected linearity of EPS growth beyond 2025?
A:The company will provide 2026 guidance in the Q4 call. They are confident in the 5% to 7% EPS growth rate, with the GRC providing a framework for the 4-year period. Detailed planning is underway to determine the annual work plan.
Q:Is the company trending toward the upper half of the FFO to debt range?
A:The company is comfortable within the 15% to 17% FFO to debt range and is evaluating financing options to maintain this position.
Q:What is the company's outlook on the cost of capital filing?
A:The company has filed for an ROE range of 10.75% to 11.75%, higher than the current 10.33%. A proposed decision is expected in November, and the company has incorporated a range of scenarios into their 5% to 7% EPS growth forecast.
Q:Why has the FERC capital plan decreased slightly, and what are the opportunities for FERC investment?
A:The FERC capital plan decreased slightly due to timing of work. The company sees opportunities for FERC investment through CAISO's 20-year and 10-year plans, which include $45 billion to $55 billion in potential projects. They aim to position themselves as a strong incumbent provider and participate in competitive projects.
Q:How will the company handle SB 254 CapEx that is ineligible for equity return?
A:The company has included $500 million to $700 million of SB 254-related CapEx in their current plan, but this is not included in the rate base. The remainder of the CapEx will be spent after 2029 and will be addressed in future rate case cycles.
Q:What is driving the near-term 1% to 3% sales growth?
A:The growth is driven by transportation electrification (about one-third), residential development, and commercial/industrial growth across various industries. The company values the diverse profile of load growth.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided giving a direct answer regarding when a liability estimate for the Eaton recovery compensation program would be available, stating that it is a long process and they do not yet have an estimate of when they will have an estimate. Additionally, the response to the question about the linearity of EPS growth beyond 2025 was vague, with detailed planning still underway and more information promised in the Q4 call.
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