FAT Brands Inc. (FAT) Q1 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call reveals several challenges: a 6.5% revenue decline, widening net loss, and increased expenses. The executive transition and paused common dividends add uncertainty. Despite a strong franchise pipeline and debt reduction plans, these are overshadowed by market apprehension and vague management responses in the Q&A session. The announced equity raise and paused dividends could further pressure the stock. The negative sentiment is reinforced by the lack of strong positive catalysts or partnerships, leading to a likely negative stock price reaction.
Key Financial Performance
Total Revenue $142 million, a 6.5% decrease from $152 million in the same period last year, driven by lower same-store sales and the closure of Smokey Bones locations for conversion into Twin Peaks lodges.
Adjusted EBITDA $11.1 million, compared to $18.2 million in last year's quarter, reflecting a decrease due to lower revenues.
Net Loss $46 million, or $2.73 per diluted share, compared to a net loss of $38.3 million, or $2.37 per share, in the prior-year quarter, attributed to increased general and administrative expenses and interest expenses.
Net Loss (as-adjusted) $38.7 million, or $2.32 per diluted share, compared to $32.9 million, or $2.05 per diluted share, in the prior-year quarter, indicating a worsening financial position.
General and Administrative Expense $33 million, up from $30 million in the year-ago quarter, primarily due to increased professional fees related to pending litigation.
Cost of Restaurant and Factory Revenues $96.1 million, down from $99.1 million in the year-ago quarter, primarily due to lower same-store sales, partially offset by wage and food cost inflation.
Advertising Expense $11.1 million, down from $12.6 million in the year-ago period, due to a slowdown in advertising at Smokey Bones.
Total Other Expense, Net $36 million, compared to $33.4 million in last year's quarter, primarily due to increased interest expense.
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Operating Highlights
New Product Launches: We are launching a portfolio-wide guest experience program later this year designed to cultivate lasting brand loyalty.
Co-branding Initiatives: We have successfully launched 10 co-branded and tri-branded models to date, including a new Round Table Pizza and Marble Slab Creamery pairing.
Market Expansion: We announced a new partnership to open 30 Fatburger locations across France over the next three years.
International Development: A development agreement was signed to open 10 Buffalo's Cafe locations in France, with the first three set to open by 2026.
New Locations: We are targeting over 100 new locations this year, with 23 units opened in Q1 2025.
Operational Efficiencies: We have reduced SG&A by over $5 million a year based on our 2024 run rate.
Production Capabilities: We are enhancing production capabilities at our Georgia facility, focusing on scaling cookie dough and dry mix manufacturing operations.
Strategic Shifts: We spun off Twin Hospitality Group, distributing a $50 million dividend to shareholders and retaining remaining shares for growth.
Leadership Changes: Taylor Wiederhorn has been appointed Co-CEO, while Rob Rosen transitions to a consulting role.
Debt Management: We are committed to raising $75 million to $100 million in equity in 2025, using 75% to reduce outstanding debt.
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Risk or Challenges
Market Conditions: Current volatile market conditions have impacted the company's near-term ability to raise equity at a reasonable price, affecting financial strategies.
Debt Management: The company has temporarily paused common dividends and is accruing preferred dividends until a $25 million principal reduction is achieved, indicating cash flow constraints.
Regulatory and Legal Issues: Increased professional fees related to pending litigation have contributed to rising general and administrative expenses.
Supply Chain and Cost Inflation: Wage and food cost inflation has affected the cost of restaurant and factory revenues, contributing to financial pressures.
Executive Transition: Leadership changes, including the transition of co-CEO roles, may pose risks to strategic continuity and operational execution.
Performance Metrics: A 6.5% decrease in total revenue and a net loss of $46 million indicate challenges in maintaining financial performance.
Franchise Development: While there is a robust pipeline for franchise development, the execution of these plans amidst current economic conditions remains a challenge.
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Guidance & Outlook
Spin-off of Twin Hospitality Group, Inc.: FAT Brands spun off Twin Hospitality Group, distributing 5% of its Class A stock to shareholders, a $50 million dividend, while retaining the remaining shares.
Equity Raise Commitment: FAT Brands committed to raising between $75 million and $100 million of equity in 2025, using 75% to reduce outstanding debt.
Expansion Plans: FAT Brands targets over 100 new locations in 2025, with 23 units opened in Q1, and plans to open an additional 25 units in Q2.
Co-branding Initiatives: FAT Brands launched 10 co-branded and tri-branded models, enhancing guest experience and operational efficiency.
International Development: FAT Brands announced a partnership to open 30 Fatburger locations in France over three years and 10 Buffalo's Cafe locations.
Refranchising Strategy: FAT Brands plans to refranchise its 57 company-owned Fazoli's restaurants, significantly reducing its corporate-owned footprint.
Manufacturing Growth: FAT Brands aims to increase utilization of its Georgia production facility from 40-45% to 60-70%.
Revenue Expectations: FAT Brands expects measured growth across various brands, with a focus on achieving annual expansion goals.
Debt Reduction Focus: FAT Brands is focused on reducing leverage and achieving a cash flow positive position over the coming quarters.
Future EBITDA Projections: The new franchise agreements could generate around $50 million in incremental annual adjusted EBITDA once operational.
Dividend Policy: FAT Brands has temporarily paused its common dividend and is accruing Series B preferred dividends until debt is reduced.
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Shareholder Return Plan
Dividend Distribution: 5% of Twin Hospitality's Class A stock was distributed to shareholders, amounting to a $50 million dividend.
Common Dividend Status: FAT's common dividend has been temporarily paused.
Series B Preferred Dividend: FAT has started to accrue the Series B preferred dividend.
Equity Raise Commitment: FAT Brands committed to raising between $75 million and $100 million of equity in 2025.
Debt Reduction Plan: 75% of the raised equity, approximately $75 million, will be used to reduce outstanding debt.
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Key Q&A
Q:What kind of ballpark impact could the cookie facility have from an efficiency standpoint if utilization goes from 40-45% to 60-70%?
A:Our goal is to increase the EBITDA at that facility from about $15 million a year to $25 million a year. If we get the facility up to that level, then it's probably an asset that could generate $300-plus million in proceeds for debt reduction.
Q:What is your general sense across your brands from a consumer standpoint regarding value focus in the current environment?
A:The consumer is apprehensive and confidence levels are mixed. We are seeing bubbles of exuberance and then people pare back in terms of traffic. Value for us is about creating great food and a great experience to justify the price.
Q:How much longer do you think it will take to raise the first tranche of money after the Twin Peaks IPO?
A:There's no gun to our head. The equity markets for restaurant stocks are closed right now. We just have to wait for it to open up. We have over a year, but hopefully we'll get that done sometime in Q2 or Q3.
Q:Can you provide insight into the revenue lines and what is driving the numbers?
A:Royalties were flat, co-owned restaurant sales were down about 6.2% due to Smokey Bones closures and same-store sales decline. Factory revenue was off about 7%.
Q:What is the estimated year-to-year negative impact of Smokey Bones in the quarter?
A:It's a couple of million dollars a quarter due to depreciation and actual operating decline.
Q:How long will it take to find a new full-time CEO to replace Joe Hummel?
A:The executive search is going very well, and I don't think it will take very long, certainly within this quarter.
Q:What is the time frame for the additional $15 million of adjusted EBITDA from new stores and the factory?
A:Over the next couple of years is more than reasonable for both of those things.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management appeared to avoid giving a direct answer regarding the exact timeline for raising the first tranche of money after the Twin Peaks IPO, using vague language about waiting for the market to open up. Additionally, there was insufficient detail provided on the specific factors driving the revenue declines beyond the mentioned closures and same-store sales.
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