First Internet Bancorp (INBK) Q3 2025 Earnings Call Transcript
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Overview
The earnings call highlights strong financial performance with a significant increase in income and yield on assets. Positive developments include a decrease in delinquencies, proactive loan management, and optimistic credit outlook. The company's strategic focus on higher-yielding opportunities and share buyback plans further boost sentiment. However, increased credit loss allowances and nonperforming loans are concerns. Overall, the positive financial metrics, strategic initiatives, and shareholder return plans suggest a positive stock price movement.
Key Financial Performance
Adjusted Total Revenues $43.5 million, an increase of 30% over the second quarter. Revenue growth was driven by a significant increase in the gain on sale of SBA guaranteed loan balances.
Net Interest Income Increased over 8% compared to the linked quarter and was up 40% compared to the third quarter of 2024, driven by higher earning asset yields and lower deposit costs.
Net Interest Margin Increased 8 basis points from the second quarter to 2.12% on a fully tax equivalent basis.
Provision for Credit Losses $34.8 million, which included $21 million of net charge-offs, additional specific reserves, and a significant increase to the allowance for credit losses related to small business lending. This was to address credit issues in the small business lending and franchise finance portfolios.
Total Delinquencies 35 basis points as of September 30th, down from 62 basis points in the second quarter and 77 basis points in the first quarter. This reflects improvement in the portfolio's credit quality.
Commercial Loan Balances Up $115 million or 3.2%, excluding the impact of the loan sale.
Total Loan Balances Up $105 million or 2.4%, excluding the impact of the loan sale.
Gain on Sale of SBA Loans $10.6 million in gain on sale revenue, rebounding strongly in the third quarter following process improvements.
Fintech Initiatives Revenue Up 14% compared to the second quarter and up 130% from the third quarter of 2024, driven by interest income and program and transaction fees.
Net Loss $41.6 million or $0.0476 per diluted share. Excluding the pretax loss on the loan sale of $37.8 million, adjusted net loss for the quarter was $12.5 million or $1.43 per diluted share.
Adjusted Pretax Pre-Provision Income $18.1 million, an increase of over 50% from the second quarter and almost 65% from the third quarter of 2024.
Yield on Average Interest-Earning Assets Rose to 5.68% from 5.65%, driven primarily by an 11 basis point increase in loan yields.
Cost of Interest-Bearing Liabilities Declined to 3.90% from 3.96%, driven mainly by a 5 basis point decrease in interest-bearing deposit costs and a 7 basis point decrease in the cost of other borrowings.
Allowance for Credit Losses (ACL) Increased to $59.9 million in the third quarter, up $13.4 million or almost 30% from the second quarter, primarily driven by updated inputs to the CECL model and higher SBA loan default rates.
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Operating Highlights
SBA and BaaS businesses: Contributed meaningful growth to noninterest income, with SBA loan sales generating $10.6 million in gain on sale revenue.
AI technology in SBA processes: Invested in AI technology for document collection and verification to streamline borrower experience and improve credit insights.
Loan originations: Commercial loan balances increased by $115 million (3.2%), and total loan balances rose by $105 million (2.4%).
Fintech partnerships: Generated 14% growth in revenue compared to the second quarter and 130% growth compared to the third quarter of 2024.
Net interest income: Achieved eighth consecutive quarter of growth, increasing by 8% from the linked quarter and 40% from the third quarter of 2024.
Loan sale of $837 million: Enhanced interest rate risk profile, strengthened capital ratios, and improved net interest margin.
Credit quality improvements: Delinquencies reduced to 35 basis points from 62 basis points in the second quarter.
Process improvements in SBA lending: Refined credit standards and introduced predictive analytics for better credit outcomes.
Balance sheet optimization: Moved over $700 million of fintech deposits off balance sheet to optimize size and flexibility.
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Risk or Challenges
Credit Issues in Small Business Lending and Franchise Finance Portfolios: The company recognized a $34.8 million provision for credit losses, including $21 million of net charge-offs. Credit issues are isolated to small business lending and franchise finance portfolios, with delinquencies in these areas significantly impacting financial performance.
Government Shutdown Impact on SBA Loan Sales: The ongoing U.S. government shutdown has halted sales of SBA loans into the secondary market, potentially delaying revenue generation from these loans if the shutdown continues.
Loan Sale Losses: The sale of $837 million of single-tenant lease financing loans resulted in a net loss of $37.8 million, negatively impacting shareholders' equity and regulatory capital.
Increased Nonperforming Loans: Nonperforming loans increased to $53.3 million, up $9.7 million from the previous quarter, driven by franchise finance loans moved to nonaccrual status.
Higher SBA Loan Default Rates: SBA loan default rates across the industry are approximately 2.3 times higher in 2025 than in 2022, leading to a significant increase in the allowance for credit losses.
Regulatory Capital and Balance Sheet Challenges: The loan sale reduced shareholders' equity and regulatory capital, though the reduction in risk-weighted assets partially offset this impact.
Dependence on Federal Reserve Rate Cuts: A significant portion of deposits (27%) is indexed to the Fed funds rate, making the company sensitive to changes in interest rates.
Potential Decline in SBA Origination Volumes: Heightened credit standards for SBA lending are expected to reduce origination volumes in 2026, potentially impacting noninterest income.
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Guidance & Outlook
Loan Balances: Loan balances are expected to increase at an unannualized rate of 4% to 6% in the fourth quarter of 2025, driven by consistent origination levels and a lower starting point after the sale of single-tenant lease financing loans.
Net Interest Margin (NIM): The net interest margin on a fully taxable equivalent basis is projected to increase to a range of 2.4% to 2.5% in the fourth quarter of 2025, supported by higher loan yields and lower funding costs.
Net Interest Income: Fully taxable equivalent net interest income is expected to range between $32.75 million and $33.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2025.
Noninterest Income: Noninterest income is projected to range between $10.5 million and $11.5 million for the fourth quarter of 2025, contingent on the resolution of the U.S. government shutdown to enable SBA loan sales.
Noninterest Expense: Noninterest expenses are expected to range between $26 million and $27 million for the fourth quarter of 2025.
2026 Noninterest Income: Noninterest income for 2026 is forecasted to be between $41.5 million and $44.5 million, reflecting a decline in SBA origination volumes due to heightened credit standards.
2026 Noninterest Expense: Noninterest expenses for 2026 are estimated to range between $106 million and $109 million, influenced by lower SBA origination volumes.
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Shareholder Return Plan
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Key Q&A
Q:What is the current status of delinquencies and nonperforming assets in the franchise lending portfolio?
A:Delinquencies in the franchise lending portfolio have decreased significantly, with only 4 delinquent accounts at 35 basis points compared to 77 basis points two quarters ago. Nonperforming loans increased this quarter due to certain franchise finance loans being moved to nonaccrual and having specific reserves placed on them. Management believes they have seen the worst of the problem loans in this portfolio and are optimistic about the credit outlook going forward.
Q:What adjustments have been made to the reserves for credit losses?
A:Significant adjustments were made to the ACL related to SBA loans, doubling it to approximately $27.5 million. The CECL model, which forecasts life-of-loan loss expectations, was used to determine this reserve. Specific reserves are also placed on nonperforming loans, which are individually evaluated.
Q:How does the reserve model account for delinquencies and nonperforming loans?
A:The CECL model incorporates delinquencies into the reserve calculation, with most delinquencies being 60 days or less. Nonperforming loans are excluded from the CECL model and are instead individually evaluated with specific reserves placed on them.
Q:What is the impact of the government shutdown on SBA loan originations and approvals?
A:The company anticipated the shutdown and obtained authorization for $94 million in pipeline loans before September 30th. They have funded $18 million of new originations month-to-date and have $73-$75 million in loans ready for closing. If the shutdown persists, the ability to originate new loans may slow down, depending on the SBA's staffing and backlog when it reopens.
Q:What is the status of the franchise finance portfolio originated by ApplePie?
A:The franchise finance portfolio is undergoing an external audit by Crowe, which has reviewed over 90% of the loans with no downgrades and two upgrades. Management has taken control of collection efforts, improving confidence in the portfolio's quality. Delinquencies have decreased, and the portfolio is being closely monitored.
Q:What are the commonalities in small business loan charge-offs?
A:Charge-offs in small business loans are more influenced by inflationary pressures, such as increased costs of raw materials, labor, and inventory, rather than solely by rising interest rates. Predictive analytics have been used to identify trends and refine credit standards.
Q:What is the company's approach to managing excess deposits?
A:Excess deposits are managed through the IntraFi network, allowing the company to move high-cost deposits off the balance sheet while earning fee income. This provides flexibility to bring deposits back onto the balance sheet as needed to fund loan growth or manage CD outflows.
Q:What strategic changes have been made to the loan portfolio?
A:The company sold its single-tenant lease financing loans and is focusing on higher-yielding opportunities, such as leasing and fintech partnerships. New single-tenant loans are being originated with shorter terms and higher yields. The portfolio mix is expected to evolve over the next 18 months.
Q:What is the company's outlook on net interest income (NII) and margin?
A:The company projects NII for next year to be around $150 million, with a full-year net interest margin (NIM) of 2.70%-2.80%. The balance sheet is slightly liability-sensitive, with a 25 basis point rate cut potentially increasing annualized NII by $1.4 million.
Q:What is the company's stance on stock buybacks?
A:The company has authorization to buy back $25 million in stock over the next two years. If the stock price remains low, management plans to enter the market to repurchase shares, balancing this with the need to grow capital.
Q:Review of Unclear Management Responses
A:Management avoided providing a direct answer to the question about the criticized balance, stating that the formal number would be available in the filings. Additionally, while discussing the impact of rate cuts on net interest margin, the response was somewhat vague, focusing on general projections rather than specific scenarios.
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